just a reminder to those who never did read this: .
ps: hello watchtower legal dep!
i guess you love this:.
outnfree, now tell us what you really think!
Wait till the rank and file find out how much money from contribution boxes and sale of publications has been spent in legal situations, especially in settling cases out of court.
"Ecclesiastical privilege."
Coverup.
april service report 88,735 pioneers (u.s.).
may service report 86,515 pioneers.
i know they'll pick up a couple thousand suckers in.
I saw the big April report had an average pioneer Bible studies of
1.7
Ouch!
Jerry
Just thinking of all the telephone calls being made yesterday and today just to get those numbers in!
i know that many of you have read coc.. was you mind made up about leaving the org.
before or after you read it?
I've talked with many who were very much aware of the inner workings of the organization but kept the blinders on for whatever personal or family reason, even misguided loyalty.
What helped them and me was Jim Penton's "Apocalypse Delayed," a book I cannot recommend highly enough. Maximus recommends it regularly to those for whom CofC would not be a revelation.
It puts the organization in perspective to the world around us. I found it very, very satisfying and liberating.
Jerry
hi folks;.
news about the watchtower is spreading, and the guys at legal dep don't like it.
here is a few places:.
When you say "the Society," which do you mean?
The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
(recently changed its signage from Watchtower Drive--makes you go hmmmm.
That's the old Service Department, Legal, and who writes to congs, COs, DOs in the U.S. That's "the Society" de facto for many.
Or
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania.
A little more than trivia?
i'm just like everyone else here when it comes to the upcoming dateline nbc segment.
i am really anxious to hear in advance what is going to be said and i sincerely hope that not only will it help the "silent lamb" victims but that it will also reach at least a few hearts in the witnesses.. but i've been seeing constant references to it lately and i get the idea that some of us may have too high of hopes.. by no means do i mean to try to discourage silentlambs, i think sl will understand and agree with what i am saying here.. my friends, please remember that this will be a situation of 20 minutes or so of airtime by "worldly" media going against lifetimes of teachings by an old and highly skilled powerful worldwide organization.. one reporter from nbc will have approximately 20 minutes to present a very complicated issue with interviews and narration and some minutes will be sacrificed for commercials.
even if nbc decided to devote an entire dateline episode to the topic, it would still leave only a scant amount of time to try and deliver such a weighty story.
Not to worry, Bendrr.
Old pros are on the scene, including network professionals.
Your point is very well taken, not to miss the war in focussing on one battleground.
as i am from another country and many readers here are americans, i hope that somone can help me on the question: who was the vice-precident, when lyndon b. johnson was president in usa?.
tiddelibum.
carlo
bboy, you just bit again--all that bandwidth too.
Yo, Carlo, Shepherd to the Flock Extraordinaire!
Where were you when we really needed you? We do need some rollicking good humor here.
Jerry
disinformation, noun.. 1. deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by an organization, government or especially by an intelligence agency in order to influence public opinion or the government in another nation: he would be the unconscious channel for a piece of disinformation aimed at another country's intelligence service (ken follett).. 2. dissemination of such misleading information.. attributive.. often used to modify another noun: disinformation operations; disinformation experts.. [possibly translation of russian dezinformatsiya.].
maybe we need a reminder from time to time that the fds manual includes a proviso to "be wise as serpents" in their war strategy.
maximus
Your awakening will not be rude, but lots of JWs are going to have one. Wait till folks start discovering PACER and its tidbits.
"Oh, my, is that where our contributions have been going, dear?"
Yes, it's just a sum of money to take care of nuisances. The Society has done it for a very long, long time. No one seems to be getting it that it is coming from the crumpled bills put in the contribution box too, from people who can ill afford it.
Jerome
Disgusted class
"in contrast with humans, who have a limited life span, jehovah never feels pressured by time to reveal his secrets prematurely.
this fact should prevent us from becoming impatient when certain bible questions cannot presently be explained to our satisfaction.
"modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear.
The question that "naturally" follows:
To be consistent, why doesn't the FDS permit red blood cells?
That would solve the surgeon's dilemma in a huge number of cases involving exsanguination of blood; bleeding to death from trauma and the like.
On what basis could it be reasonably argued that red blood cells are different?
call me a neopositivist, a semi-verificationist or semi-falsificationist, but the claims made by "silentlambs" reminds me of the shakespearean line that was quoted in the creator book published by the wtbts.
that is, the contentions of silentlambs seem like much "sound and fury" that in truth signify nothing.
i am of course referring to the supposed dateline show and the claims made about some members of the gb of jehovah's witnesses.
Holy Jaboney, larc. Whoa!
I've enjoyed this interplay so far, but there has been a sea change. Clearly you are getting as serious as a heart attack on this one. You could easily have just given this guy the digitus impudicus/infamis, but now you have upped the ante (you must play mindless cards) and are nailing his callow ass to the xylon. Put up or shut up.
Now Duns is demonstrably naked and out of his league, which heretofore has been relegated to words for the sake of words, for the truly experienced vs. cognoscenti to see. He is not an elder!
Without question he has no experience in these areas; that is abundantly (ab unda: from the flood) clear for all who are experienced to see, and his tediously prolonged verbosity now rings hollow. He is seen to be the apologist that he insidiously is.
QED.
Jerome
Fighting to eschew the show-off jargon.
"in contrast with humans, who have a limited life span, jehovah never feels pressured by time to reveal his secrets prematurely.
this fact should prevent us from becoming impatient when certain bible questions cannot presently be explained to our satisfaction.
"modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear.
<The FDS is now in a situation more comparable to Chamberlain; "He was given the choice between dishonour and war. He chose dishonour and will have war anyway.">
Whether by choice or chance, this statement is positively profound.
